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Talkin‘ Fanfic

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Fanfiction taken seriously. Seriously! We interview authors, talk at length and in-depth about fics, we discuss characters and ships and tropes. This is a place for fanfiction community-- and cocktails!

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Interview with HeyJulien, Football RPF and Carraville writer

Tuesday Jul 09, 2024

Tuesday Jul 09, 2024

Summary:

Like a bicycle kick goal at minute 95, Sara finally completes editing on a much overdue interview with fellow Carraville author HeyJulien ! 

Sara and Julien talk about the world of football RPF (as in soccer, for all you Yankees); specifically the delightfully odd-couple rivals-to-lovers ship of English football pundits Gary Neville and Jamie Carragher. Other talking points scattered across the pitch include: football as war, derby days and football rivalry; the joys of local non-league football, the Bundesliga and fußballkultur; to switch POV, or not to switch POV; the annoying beauty of David Beckham; and of course, we discuss the tragically under-utilized in fic friendship of Paul Scholes and Gary Neville (or, Scholesy as the Kermit to Gary Neville’s Miss Piggy). 

Join us, if you like!

Correction - at 03:27:40 we incorrectly refer to our wonderful fellow Carraville author as ‘player1604’-- their handle is player1064, which is a reference to Gary Neville’s England legacy number. Gary was the 1,064th player to play for England’s National Team. 

 

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Time caps:

  • 00:10:39 - Chelsea v Liverpool result in the Carabao Cup Final AND “Football and Butts”
  • 00:13:17 minutes - Picking an English team as an outside fan, local rivalry in sport, and the mechanisms of tribalism
  • 00:21:10 - Football pride as a substitute for national pride in Germany
  • 00:22:57 - League structure in european football, the purity of the local club, financial doping, and German “fußballkultur”
  • 00:32:57 - A late introduction to HeyJulien ! Julien’s earliest reading and writing memories.
  • 00:36:36 - First encounter with fanfiction and Youtuber RPF
  • 00:42:11 - Path into Sports RPF
  • 00:45:28 - The specific allure of Hockey RPF
  • 00:53:54 - Getting into Football RPF and Carraville
  • 01:11:07 - Carraville fic, start of “Zombies” discussion, and Julien’s real-life plot inspiration
  • 01:20:04 - Excerpt 1, from “Zombies” 
  • 01:39:12 - Strategy and instinct of switching POV’s 
  • 01:59:50 - “The Victorian Era” 
  • 02:06:13 - Excerpt 2, from “The Victorian Era” (apologies from Sara for the botched English accents)
  • 02:23:17 - Cat cameo by Daniel Pickles - and the theme of power in “The Victorian Era”, Gary and Victoria’s friendship, and writing moments that “show” instead of “tell”. 
  • 02:32:27 - The fun of writing about “bad people”, and recurring themes popping up in our works; AND the specific joys of fanfiction enriching “real life”
  • 02:40:36 - “Tasting Syrup On My Tongue”
  • 02:50:45 - The joy of Stevie G and Scholsey in Carraville fics
  • 03:00:46 - Sara’s childhood soccer experience
  • 03:02:49- Rapid Fire Questions!!! 
  • 03:17:21 - Michael Owen Quotes
  • 03:31:00 - Coffee Shop Scenario
  • 03:37:32 - Julien’s fic recs
  • 03:43:11 - Final question- “What do you think it is about sport that lends itself to fiction and fanfiction?”

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Talkin’ U2, Bono, and Bedge with Tory from the Retro Fanfic Retrospective Podcast!

Saturday Jul 01, 2023

Saturday Jul 01, 2023

Sara welcomes the great and wonderful Tory, best known for their reliably insightful analysis of fanfiction on the Retro Fanfic Retrospective podcast (found wherever you get your podcasts!) Tory shares their lifelong love affair with the legendary band U2, and their knowledge of the band’s history and music. Tory also digs into the amazing feat of how the band’s joyful, sublime chemistry seeps into the very music they produce, sustaining fruitful artistry for nearly fifty years. 

Other topics include: Irish history, and the Christianity of U2, along with comparisons with Oasis. We also talk Bedge and RPF! And we dig into a mini-RFR discussion of likeamadonna’s Bono/Edge fanfiction within a fanfiction, “Fictitious Characters”. 

Contact and Credits:

  • Intro Theme: Kyle Laurin "Oasis Supersonic Theme" (Twitter: @cobrakylemusic)
  • Clip used - Noel Gallagher on The Late Late Show | RTÉ One 
  • Outro clip - “Beautiful Day” by U2, from the album ‘All That You Can't Leave Behind’ - pulled from Youtube licensed via UMG (on behalf of Universal-Island Records Ltd. ℗ An Island Records recording; ℗ 2000 Island Records Limited
  • Tumblr: talkinfanfic.tumblr.com 
  • Instagram: @talkinfanfic
  • Email: talkinfanfic@gmail.com 

 

Time caps:

  • 00:00 - Introduction
  • 06:03 - Start of episode
  • 16:02 - Tory’s music background
  • 24:25 - U2 in bloom right now!
  • 35:06 - A little Irish history 
  • 45:19 - The Troubles, a climate for the formation of U2
  • 56:03 - U2’s Bigness, America, and ‘What is Bono??’ 
  • 01:02:45 - Bono’s useful celebrity, vs individualism of Oasis. Or, “do-gooders” vs “do-badders”
  • 01:08:22 - Bono the Energizer Bunny, and U2 in Vegas
  • 01:13:07 - The other members of U2 (Larry, The Edge, and Adam)
  • 01:20:35 - Christianity and U2
  • 01:31:45 - Religion, U2 vs. Oasis
  • 01:34:50 - Religious imagery in the Achtung Baby-era, and Bono’s ‘characters’
  • 01:41:42 - U2 fanfiction and RPF fandom
  • 01:51:20 - “Fictitious Characters”, by likeamadonna
  • 02:02:26 - Fitting Ali into the Bono/Edge
  • 02:07:20 - Start of Rapid Fire! (which lasts nearly an hour, lol)
  • 02:12:27 - Tory’s Top 5 U2 Tracks

 

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Talkin’ Music with shineswithyou

Tuesday Apr 11, 2023

Tuesday Apr 11, 2023

Summary:

Sara takes (kind of sort of) a break from talking fanfic and bandfic to talk about a different form of storytelling– music, and writing about music! shineswithyou is a familiar face around Oasis and U2 tumblr, but what you might NOT know is that she has recently embarked on a writing journey of her own, with a substack blog about music and its place as the soundtrack of her own life.

Sara and shines talk about her blog, and the difficulty of “writing words about sounds”; how music is a language in and of itself capable of telling its own (and our own) stories.

Of COURSE we loop it back around to fanfiction and RPF (or, ‘real person fanfiction’), and how bandfic is, at its core, a pure form of love for the musical artist. Other talking points include: how awesome Bono is, and how we wish we could have been at Slane Castle in 2001; the perennial dysfunction of the Gallagher brothers; and the dichotomy of the U2 and Oasis fandoms.

Contact and Credits:

  • Theme Music: Kyle Laurin "Oasis Supersonic Theme" (Twitter: @cobrakylemusic)
  • Clips from "Pop Muzik" by M (℗ 1979 Robin Scott Limited) and "Marquee Moon" by Television (℗ 1977 Elektra/Asylum)
  • Tumblr: talkinfanfic.tumblr.com 
  • Instagram: @talkinfanfic
  • Email: talkinfanfic@gmail.com 

 

Time caps:

  • 00:00 - Introduction
  • 14:52 - Interview start
  • 23:07 - Music memories and growing up
  • 30:40 - Tumblr and bandom
  • 34:27 - the pf+hb blog!
  • 39:32 - Blog entry 1 
  • 44:40 - Tom Verlaine and Television
  • 46:50 - Excerpt of blog entry 4
  • 48:56 - shines’ music writing style and influences, and the difficulties of writing about music
  • 57:15 - Art in the time of Covid and intentional listening
  • 01:10:56 - More on Television’s style and ‘Marquee Moon’
  • 01:22:22 - CBGB’s and ‘the scene’
  • 01:28:29 - Music mags!
  • 01:32:05 - Speaking of U2…
  • 01:36:55 - The dichotomy of the U2 fandom vs Oasis fandom
  • 01:43:01 - Rapid Fire Questions!

 

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Interview with Jeevey

Monday Oct 24, 2022

Monday Oct 24, 2022

Summary:

Sara sits down with the amazing, sublime, talented Jeevey, a legend in the Oasis RPF and Gcest world. Jeevey talks about the challenges of finding time to express yourself amid real life responsibilities; telling the truth through amateur writing; the joys of RPF and her start in the U2 fandom; rejecting the shame of writing taboo topics, and why she likes writing about interesting, compelling characters versus ‘unproblematic’ more acceptable figures (BORING!)

Jeevey is also a fandom expert on Noel Gallagher’s pre-Oasis career as a roadie for the Inspiral Carpets, and his friendship (ahem) relationship, with the now legendary Mancunian Clint Boon. Jeevey chronicles a Clint/Noel romance in her beautiful ongoing work, “Transistor”.

 

We also mention Jeevey’s recent trip to the UK to see both Gallagher brothers in concert; a highlight of which was Jeevey’s front row view of High Flying Birds’ guitarist Gem Archer’s rather, er, overwhelming and impressive physical presents. PRESENCE, I mean!

 

Yes, Sara brings you another 3 hour episode, but c’mon. You know. What else you doin’ today, rasta?! Don’t Go Away, Stand By Me! Some Might Say that we’re gonna Live Forever through our incestuous bandfic obsession! D’You Know What I Mean?

 

Time Caps

  • 0m - Introduction
  • 12:23 - Interview starts. Jeevey talks early writing and how she got into the RPF fandoms.
  • 22:00 - Jeevey on how listening to Noel’s solo material funneled her into the Oasis fic and gcest fandoms. Baby’s first gcest fic! 
  • 32:00 - “I don’t want to bring up the Loch Lomond kiss already, but…” aka “collective mainstream fan cognitive dissonance” aka “WOW just LOOK AT THAT SETLIST!”
  • 37:00 - Sara asks Jeevey if she has a favorite brother to write. Complicated!Noel and Scary!Liam 
  • 49:22 - “The Passing of Peggy Gallagher”
  • 57:45 - “Broken Arrow River”
  • 1:39:17 - Let’s talk about Clint Boon! And getting into “Transistor”
  • 1:54:35 - Digging more into “Transistor”
  • 2:08:19 - Exploring and researching LGBTQ culture and subcultures in the UK in the 1980s (Lesbians, punks, Section 28, the AIDS crisis, etc)
  • 2:32:40 - Rapid Fire Questions!
  • 2:43:30 - Jeevey on seeing Noel and Liam live in the UK in 2022!
  • 2:49:45 - Jeevey on Gem Archer’s overwhelming physical beauty
  • 2:59:26 - Last question. What does fanfiction (and RPF) mean to you?

 

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MAD FER IT: Oasis, RPF, and Gallaghercest

Saturday Oct 01, 2022

Saturday Oct 01, 2022

Are ye mad fer it?! In episode 303 Sara and Laura crack open a lager and spend three hours indulging in their most problematic (or NOT) obsession yet– The Gallagher Brothers of Oasis! RPF, or ‘real person fiction’ is fanfiction based on the lives of real people. We figure, if you’re gonna get into RPF, you ‘might as well do the white line’ and in true rock’n’roll lifestyle Slide Away into the nitty gritty of one of the most complicated, fascinating, beautiful, ugly, loving, brutal, intense relationships maybe ever. D' You Know What I Mean? 

Gcest fans, this is for you. Turn your light on, take the shame out of your bread, sit back and enjoy! 

 

PS. Even in three hours we didn’t get to everything! If you’re interested in more gcest fic, we’ve got our recs listed below, and do check out Snickfic’s Gcest Primer, and the Livejournal communities “MFOK” community and quote archive. 

PPS. Spotify Playlist of our Top Oasis and Gallagher Bros. solo tracks!

 

Timecaps!

  • 0m - Episode Intro
  • 4m - Cold open. Laura is forced to name all the Oasis and Gallagher solo studio albums in order
  • 10m - HOW WE GOT HERE (RPF?! Incest?! On arrive à la problématique)
  • 25m - IRL Timeline Walkthrough, “Who are the Gallagher Brothers?”
  • 1h33m - The fanfiction! RPF, gcest, and our recs!
  • 2h03 - The music and our Toppermost of the Poppermost of Oasis, Liam Gallagher, and Noel Gallagher’s High Flying Birds.

 

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Music Recs

Spotify Playlist of our Top Oasis and Gallagher Bros. solo tracks!

  • Sara’s Faves
    • Oasis: Slide Away / Don’t Look Back in Anger / Supersonic 
    • LG Solo: “Once” / “Diamond in the Dark” / “When I’m in Need”
    • NG Solo: “If I Had a Gun” / “Dying of the Light” / “Holy Mountain”
  • Laura’s Faves
    • Oasis: Talk Tonight / Cast No Shadow / Don’t Go Away / Stop Crying Your Heart Out / Songbird 
    • LG Solo: Ballroom Figured (BE) / All You’re Dreaming of / Gone
    • NG Solo: Dead in the Water / Black Star Dancing / Alone on the Rope

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Interview with phyn, aka RedHead

Tuesday Jul 05, 2022

Tuesday Jul 05, 2022

Talkin’ Fanfic 

Episode No. - 302

Episode Title - Interview with phyn, aka RedHead

 

Summary:

Yet another incredible treat for the ColdFlash fans! On this episode of Talkin’ Fanfic, Sara sits down with phynali, better known in ColdFlash circles as (the one, the only!) RedHead. RedHead has authored two of the top five kudos’d works under the ColdFlash tag on Ao3, and their work is commonly counted as some of the most seminal in the fandom. Sara and phyn dig into three of RedHead’s works: “Tumbling Together”, “An All Too Jagged Snowflake”, and “Got A Melancholic Temperament (that’s what they said to me)”. 

Sara and phyn talk about the joys and collaborative nature of the ColdFlash community, (“Hi, Aunt Crimson!”), the challenge of balancing a PhD thesis with fanfiction obligations, how juggling multiple (and very different) stories can actually help overcome writer’s block, and also touch on phyn’s work under the pseud “dyed_red”, where they publish Supernatural works of a very different (darker, stylistic, minimalistic) nature and atmosphere, and the challenge therein of dipping a toe into a new fandom. 

 

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Interview with Crimson1 aka professional author Amanda Meuwissen

Monday May 23, 2022

Monday May 23, 2022

Talkin’ Fanfic 

Episode No. - 301

Episode Title - Interview with Crimson1, professional author Amanda Meuwissen 

In Talkin’ Fanfic’s third season opener, Sara sits down with professionally published author Amanda Meuwissen, who has openly and proudly published fanfiction on both ff.net and Ao3 for decades, as Crimson1 ! Sara and Amanda discuss how Amanda’s introduction to popular fiction (via, ironically, Anne Rice novels) almost immediately funneled her into the world of fanfiction reading and writing, and how a Dean/OMC fic she wrote during the early seasons of Supernatural quickly rocketed in popularity (it is still, staggeringly, the #7 most reviewed Supernatural of all time on fanfiction.net, out of some 121 thousand) and served as the first project she would “flip” into a published original work.

Sara and Amanda talk about two of her ColdFlash fics from the CW’s Flash fandom, her love of the characters of Barry Allen and Leonard Snart, and why in many ways, the ColdFlash fandom writes the characters better than the show itself. 

They also express a random common love for a Wellingbaum RPF coffee shop AU, Wentworth Miller’s hands, the surprising awesomeness of “Legends of Tomorrow” and Amanda gives listeners some tips and tricks on how best to break into publishing in the original fiction world! 

 

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Choose Not to Warn, and “The Operative Word” by road_rhythm

Saturday Apr 09, 2022

Saturday Apr 09, 2022

A literal throw-back! Recorded in February 2022, Sara didn't get around to editing and posting until September 2022. 

In this belated Season 2 closer, Sara and Laura discuss (after some updates on recent ColdFlash and Gallaghercest obsessions) a commonly forgotten or misunderstood Archive Warning: the "Choose Not to Warn" tag. They discuss the purpose of CNTW in context of and along with a phenomenally written story, "The Operative Word" by road_rhythm, in which Sam Winchester weighs the meaning of life, death, and the existence of Free Will itself. 

Do fanfiction authors have the option to choose their own endings? Do fanfiction readers have the resources to filter out what they do and do not want to read?? The option on all fronts is a resounding YES, and the Talkin' Fanfic gals break it all down, as well dig into the strong audience reaction elicited by road_rhythm's fearless work of near-metafiction.

NOTE: Ironically in order to listen to this episode we are requiring you to first read "The Operative Word". You do not have a choice in this matter!! (Kidding but seriously)--> https://archiveofourown.org/works/21833437

 

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Interview with elsi

Tuesday Mar 22, 2022

Tuesday Mar 22, 2022

Talkin’ Fanfic 

Episode No. - 209

Episode Title - Interview with elsi

 

Sara sits down to talk with elsi, aka Prince_of_Elsinore, an incredibly talented author who has spent many thousands of words exploring the heart of the relationship between the characters of Dean and Sam Winchester from Supernatural. Sara and elsi cover the show itself (that finale!) and discuss three of elsi’s works centered around Sam and Dean over the course of their lives together.

elsi speaks in depth about the differences between gencest and Wincest, and the thin and not-so-thin lines that form the fascinating gradient between. elsi explains their love for this “ultimate ship” and why the heart of a good Wincest fic treats “problematic” aspects of the ship directly, in a way that feels honest, unafraid, and faithful to Sam and Dean themselves as characters. 

Other topics include: writing style, “Id fic”, letting subtext tell the story and do the heavy lifting, and how elsi’s experience in fanfiction has informed and differed from their professional, original writing experiences, and why fanfiction isn’t just “the minor leagues” of the publishing writing world, but an artistic pursuit entirely of its own.



Bulletin Items! 

  • Talkin’ Fanfic will be LIVE with The Fanfic Maverick Podcast at PLANET COMICCON in Kansas City! Saturday April 23rd at 1pm. See website for tickets, schedule, etc. Let us know if you’re coming!

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Interview with museaway

Monday Dec 06, 2021

Monday Dec 06, 2021

Talkin’ Fanfic 

Episode No. - 208

Episode Title - Interview with museaway

Sara sits down with long-time multi-fandom author and community organizer MUSEAWAY, where they discuss three of muse’s works in Smallville, Supernatural, and the Alternate Original Series Star Trek fandoms. Topics include: 

  • Their love of the edenic, the singular! old school Smallville fandom 
  • The difference to an outsider, between what Supernatural looks like from tumblr gif sets vs what it looks like watching the show (VERY. DIFFERENT.)
  • How to write Destiel without writing over Sam
  • Case fic!
  • The joys of “discovery moments” , and the messiness of exploratory writing
  • the “DESERT HOOKER PHOTOSHOOT”! (say ‘thank you 2013 Star Trek fandom)

Muse also waxes poetic over the gift economy of fanfiction, and how fanfiction breaks down traditional publishing industry barriers between authors and the readers who will find and appreciate their contributions to the fandom, and generally the unique joys of fandom. 

We also discuss muse’s fandom community involvement, including the #ficwip, a twitter event that has morphed into a multi-fandom writer’s community. 

 

Bulletin Items! 

  • The Karate Club Zine is now open for Pre-Order! 
  • The 2020 Clex Zine is now LEGENDS: A 2022 Clex Zine. Applications for fic writers and artists are NOW OPEN through December!
  • If you worked on any of the original CLFF “Clex Fest” round and could give museaway permission to work with Ao3 to archive those works, please get in touch!!

 

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